Ice Climbing: Ouray, Colorado

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James - Great shots on some good looking ice, both Ouray and Cody.  How about some comments on bg management?  Any issues?  What did you generally eat during the day?  You mentioned being pretty beat and "pounding some sugar" at one point.  Are you a pumper or a jabber?  Basal adjustments?
Thanks.
Jeff

Mr. Mazer:
 
Thanks for your response.  I previously added more information about my diabetes in trip reports; however, it seemed as though I was the only one who knew what I was talking about or was even interested in the information.  The relevancy of diabetic beta on this site is more understandable.
 
I think I am one of the last hold-outs on using an insulin pump.  I inject Lantus (Insulin Glargine) at night and NovoLog (Insulin Aspart) for meals.  I generally take 20 units of Lantus each evening and 5-7 units of NovoLog before eating.  My primary concern when hiking, scrambling, or climbing in the backcountry is obviously severe hypoglycemia.  When I know I have a big day ahead of me, I reduce my Lantus dose to 10-12 units the night before and often don’t take any NovoLog on the day of the activity (until I'm back at the trailhead or home and eat a full meal).  My bg levels may on occasion run slightly high during the course of the day, but I have accepted that as reasonable alternative to risking a low blood sugar reaction.  I can confidently say that even with the reduction in insulin levels, I have had way more instances of hypoglycemia than hyperglycemia over my years in the outdoors.  I don’t feel as though I am as diligent in checking my bg levels when I am active as I should be.  However, I’m fairly certain that I can “just tell” when something isn’t right from my experience and life as a diabetic.  I usually check before the day starts and then hopefully again two or three times over the course of the day when it is convenient.  I actually have a bit more difficult time identifying lows because sometimes I feel as though I am simply bonking from the activity rather than a low.  It is on these occasions where I force myself to take a break, check my blood, and refuel.  More often than not, I’m ready to go in 5-10 minutes.  I used to think my partners wouldn’t really want to climb with me because of the liability of diabetes.  As it turns out, I am generally just as capable as most of them, and they love my food bag because I’ve always got tons of sugar to eat!  I generally pack PB&J, lots of fruit snacks, chocolate, and several PowerGel packets.  I stick with water as I found Gatorade and similar drinks really skyrocket my bgs.
 
I’d be interested in hearing from you pumpers the advantages and/or disadvantages of using insulin pump.  I’ve always viewed it as something that could get in the way during an activity, specifically when climbing and always having a backpack on.
 
James

James,
 
Thanks for some good answers.  This is definitely the right forum for diabetic beta!  And don't feel like you're the odd man out regarding insulin delivery systems; it's probably a simple matter of pumpers being a noisier bunch.  There are many, many  non-pumpers out there doing incredible things in the hills all the while maintaining impressive, consistent bg control.  Herbert Hausmann and Doug Bursnall are just the first two that come to mind. 
 
I agree - erring on the side of hyper rather than hypo is the only way to get through dicey situations, especially in remote areas.  A lot of that comes down to the inconvenience of testing at difficult times, especially in cold, wet and/or windy situations.  If it was as easy as looking at your watch, for instance, we'd comforatably run with bg values much lower than we often do.  The closest I've ever come to that is when using a CGMS in cold weather, confident that my normal-to-low bg's are stable and actually not dropping.  But the current state of CGMS is far from that goal.  Hopefully we'll be there soon...
 
For me, a pump allows much tighter basal tuning.  It's "cured" my chronic pre-dawn high bg issues and generally gives me a fairly normal nighttime pattern.  I still have to bolus using the same skills, intuition and guesswork I always did when jabbing.  It's just more convenient and exact.  I tend to average about 9 boluses/day, sometimes bolusing 2 or more times in a single meal, depending on where I am, what I'm eating, etc.  With needles I'd be more apt to just take a best guess.  In terms of the pump or infusion set getting in the way with a pack, it's virtually a non-issue.  Granted, it's another thing to keep in mind but surprisingly, not really a big deal. 
 
Talk soon & thanks for the post.
Jeff

Thanks James for the links to your Ouray and Cody TRs.  Very nice!!
And excellent discussions, too.  YES, this is the place for where you weave diabetes tales WITH outdoor adventures.   I am definitely in Jeff's boat re. pumps and other newer gizmos, but for more than 15 years I was super hesitant.  No system is 100% and using a pump, at least for me, has the balance certainy tipped to continuing using a pump.  Although, there are some days.....My trips in the backcountry have been much more enjoyable with a little better control, especially for multi-day outings.  Yes, Doug, my control was even WORSE when I was jabbing that NPH in the sleeping bag.  UGH!!  Like Jeff has said, there a number of us who do amazing things with different therapies and I am quick to admit that the right solution is the one that works for you.
One does have to think about pump and infusion placement for packs and harnesses, but as Jeff says, it isn't all that tough to accomodate.
Cheers, dp
 
ps - I may do some laps at a nearby ice venue on Sunday, before heading on a family vacay to.........Florida, where ice and mountains are a planet away...